tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post6299053128102974176..comments2023-11-10T09:15:40.084-08:00Comments on The Friends of Jake: Religion in politicsDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-12295066116574187892008-10-24T20:25:00.000-07:002008-10-24T20:25:00.000-07:00Sorry, but laissez-faire capitalism has never work...Sorry, but <I>laissez-faire</I> capitalism has never worked and never will because 99.99% of humanity turns into animals when money's involved. Church should have even less to do with the market than with politics!<BR/><BR/>If someone doesn't wish to have responsibility to others, they are free to go find a desert, or a forest or a mountain, build a cabin and live all by their lonesome.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-76109717380202377342008-10-24T08:13:00.000-07:002008-10-24T08:13:00.000-07:00Catholic (one true church) or Protestant (fallible...Catholic (one true church) or Protestant (fallible church or a collection of individuals), conservative or liberal, straight or gay, the answer is... <I>laissez-faire</I> capitalism. <BR/><BR/>Laissez-faire <I>capitalism is a politico-economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and in which</I> <B>the powers of the state are limited to the protection of the individual’s rights against the initiation of physical force</B><I>. This protection applies to the initiation of physical force by other private individuals, by foreign governments, and, most importantly, by the individual’s own government. This last is accomplished by such means as a written constitution, a system of division of powers and checks and balances, an explicit bill of rights, and eternal vigilance on the part of a citizenry with the right to keep and bear arms. Under </I>laissez-faire<I> capitalism, the state consists essentially just of a police force, law courts, and a national defense establishment, which deter and combat those who initiate the use of physical force</I>. <B>And nothing more.</B><BR/><BR/>That is, libertarianism.<BR/><BR/>That way both the state and religions you don't like leave you alone.<BR/><BR/>If your religion and mine can work within that, we're good!Ecgberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354592772973677609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-77160539405451697152008-10-24T06:49:00.000-07:002008-10-24T06:49:00.000-07:00It has become somewhat of a quadrennial ecumenical...It has become somewhat of a quadrennial ecumenical endeavor of the RCs, SBCs, Mormons, etc.<BR/><BR/>They'll be back at each other's throats by mid November.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-82352186478476462642008-10-24T06:28:00.000-07:002008-10-24T06:28:00.000-07:00As far as the majority of religionists, I don't se...As far as the majority of religionists, I don't see them as being at all disturbed about using the force of law (or <I>any</I> sort of force) to impose their views on everyone else. They just don't see it as a legitimate issue.<BR/><BR/>So I'm with James. And what's <I>left</I> of the moderate, thoughtful Christian church ignores this at its peril.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-15555440196305840802008-10-24T06:15:00.000-07:002008-10-24T06:15:00.000-07:00It just goes to show that bigotry will sleep in th...It just goes to show that bigotry will sleep in the same bed with anyone to accomplish the goal. Then, when the goal is realized, those bed mates will be mortal enemies again. Mark, read my post today.<BR/><BR/>That all this religion-in-politics removing civil liberties is doing is making the churches look even more irrelevant to the huge majority of young people of today. And I agree with them. If I were twenty-years old today and saw what these churches are doing, I'd paint all religion with the same "bigot" lable.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11622358803103789307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-64999040773954333912008-10-23T22:38:00.000-07:002008-10-23T22:38:00.000-07:00"A deal with the devil" indeed. I wonder if this s..."A deal with the devil" indeed. I wonder if this strange alliance is having a corrosive effect on Roman Catholic moral thinking. I grew up with relatively high regard for the ability of the Catholic church to apply logic and scholarship to moral issues. I remember reading summaries of the just war doctrine and coming away very impressed. (Then again, those were the days when I heard a lot about the Berrigan brothers.) The current attitude that abortion and gay marriage are moral issues while war and poverty are not leaves me scratching my head. <BR/><BR/>Separation of church and state is good for both parties. When they are joined at the hip, good theological thinking tends to give way to groupthink and the American Civil Religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-71424993622847418262008-10-23T20:35:00.000-07:002008-10-23T20:35:00.000-07:00Mike, that brings to mind a phenomenon I've notice...Mike, that brings to mind a phenomenon I've noticed and pondered - the "strange-bedfellows reaction," as I think of it. <BR/>Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Calvinists of all denominations, EO, the "African-American ministers" have all joined together in a united front to make life as miserable as possible for gays.<BR/>When it's over, let's see what happens. Growing up in the South, I remember Baptists talking darkly of the idolatry of the Catholics - Mormons and EO were unheard of (and better stay that way, if they knew what was good for 'em). In my lifetime, there were still those in the same conservative group that took over the Baptists who told us Catholics conducted blood sacrifices! The Catholics, meanwhile, will not recognize anyone who isn't Catholic, the Orthodox, making a smug virtue of necessity in numbers say others are <I>possibly</I> acceptable to God, but not <I>real</I> Church, Mormons are . . . Mormons, and, as recently as 15?, 20? years ago, my niece was told she could not have her wedding in her Baptist church because she had invited black friends!<BR/>Talk about signing a "deal with the devil."MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-79152627934761643102008-10-23T20:18:00.000-07:002008-10-23T20:18:00.000-07:00I just don't get it.I just don't get it.Canyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14737285360280766111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-7709240621317606742008-10-23T17:10:00.000-07:002008-10-23T17:10:00.000-07:00Interesting speculation that the Mormons are doing...Interesting speculation that the Mormons are doing this in a<A HREF="http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid64163.asp" REL="nofollow">n attempt to gain favor with other religions</A> who look down on them.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-55507917373080646722008-10-23T15:06:00.000-07:002008-10-23T15:06:00.000-07:00I have a real problem with limiting the basic righ...I have a real problem with limiting the basic rights of anyone by anyone particularly someone who "thinks" they know what God wants. If anyone asks, I have several better ways for Mormons to spend money than limiting peoples rights. For starters, how about feeding the hungry and not just some but all.Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-7569644765824884552008-10-23T14:23:00.000-07:002008-10-23T14:23:00.000-07:00Prop 8 should be called what it is: The Mormon Pro...Prop 8 should be called what it is: The Mormon Proposition. I head on 365 that there is some backlash though because of and directed toward the LDS church.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11622358803103789307noreply@blogger.com