tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post8612425472735339077..comments2023-11-10T09:15:40.084-08:00Comments on The Friends of Jake: The new Catholicism?Davidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-4513828228474564052010-05-07T09:40:52.536-07:002010-05-07T09:40:52.536-07:00And Mr de Saint É didn't believe that any long...And Mr de Saint É didn't believe that any longer, realising that one doesn't own God, but recieves God as a gift.Göran Koch-Swahnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00925549945659350649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-90052906758490792702010-05-07T09:39:23.114-07:002010-05-07T09:39:23.114-07:00RE fundamentalism being more about identity than r...RE fundamentalism being more about identity than religion, I think of Antoine de Saint Éxupery who said: <br /><br />"I am among those who inherited God - and I have squandered my inheritance."<br /><br />Meaning that his millieu, the ultras of France, clang to God as a political substitute for l'Ancien Régime, not as a love for their Creator.Göran Koch-Swahnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00925549945659350649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-19292210830948488712010-05-05T19:18:35.466-07:002010-05-05T19:18:35.466-07:00Amen!Amen!JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-67469533910202361462010-05-05T17:23:21.701-07:002010-05-05T17:23:21.701-07:00"I have faith, only help me when faith falls ..."I have faith, only help me when faith falls short."Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-36836177194765001452010-05-05T16:58:19.959-07:002010-05-05T16:58:19.959-07:00They drown and we drown with them.
Um, if I may s...<i>They drown and we drown with them.</i><br /><br />Um, if I may say so: I have more <i>faith</i> that that won't happen (not faith in humans---faith in God).<br /><br />From the LAST "Liberal Christian" (if it should come to that) "the remnant will return".JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-86446601632170149592010-05-05T14:33:07.973-07:002010-05-05T14:33:07.973-07:00They're linked in many people's perception...They're linked in many people's perceptions. Fundamentalists define Christianity for most people, mostly because they dominate the attention of the press. Christians all believe the world was made in literally 7 days and that we are all homophobic right-wingers in the minds of a lot of people. If we're not biblical literalists and political right-wingers, then we can't possibly be Christians according to many people, and not just the fundamentalists themselves.<br />We are linked to the fundamentalists like prisoners on a chain-gang. They drown and we drown with them.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-50903857812483239412010-05-05T08:46:26.700-07:002010-05-05T08:46:26.700-07:00Counterlight
why do you think that liberal Christi...Counterlight<br />why do you think that liberal Christianity will go down the tubes with fundamentalism - are the two linked?Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-17049798155276593342010-05-05T08:25:56.903-07:002010-05-05T08:25:56.903-07:00I'm so afraid that "liberal" Christi...I'm so afraid that "liberal" Christianity (which really isn't all that "liberal") will go down the tubes with fundamentalism.<br />I think religious fundamentalism is a reaction against an increasingly cosmopolitan and connected world. As I've always said, fundamentalism is more about identity than about religion. I think that as humankind begins to find its way through this new inter-connected world, fundamentalism will begin to fade and end up in a tiny cultural ghetto.<br /><br />What is more, the other half of the Developing World, the female half, frequently has very different points of view than the male half. I remember years ago a man I knew who had extensive experience in Africa (mostly in northern Nigeria, and he spoke Hausa) said to me that the Anglican bishops will tell us one thing about the gays and women issues, but their wives will frequently tell us something completely different.<br />I think a big reason for the misogyny in so many fundamentalist movements is the terror of rising expectations in female population.<br /><br />Fundamentalism is stirring up a big backlash in the West, and I would not be surprised if it does so in the future in the Developing World, especially if that world continues to develop and expectations begin to rise. A lot of the rural peasants want their children to go to the cities to university, and into the professional class. I doubt fundamentalism could survive the transition. Let's hope religion does survive.Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-39860703344632735432010-05-05T06:17:24.718-07:002010-05-05T06:17:24.718-07:00I dare say that many "Liberal" American ...I dare say that many "Liberal" American Catholics would feel much more at home in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic" rel="nofollow">Old Catholic Church</a> or with us 'Piskies.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-22798034166254170712010-05-04T22:27:16.754-07:002010-05-04T22:27:16.754-07:00It's a general trend in all religions, this in...It's a general trend in all religions, this increasing fervour and fundamentalism in some parts of the world vs a more liberal faith in Western countries.<br />The RC church is only experiencing the same phenomenon here.<br /><br />I wonder whether the church recognises this and that was one reason for selecting Ratzinger. If so, the next pope is likely to be more of the same - top hierarchies are like old boys networks and desperate to cling on to established structures and "our kind of people".<br /><br />And, yes, the church could as easily fray as the Protestant churches.<br /><br />The interesting question will be what will happen to fundamentalism in general. It's a fairly modern phenomenon and I rather hope it's an aberration not a new lasting trend.Erika Bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812376497361267014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-89614208599989147052010-05-04T20:58:13.980-07:002010-05-04T20:58:13.980-07:00Yah, sorry I'm internet disabled for much of t...Yah, sorry I'm internet disabled for much of the day.... hello fellow bloggers you can delete sad-brad too!IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-48215428345010355872010-05-04T19:55:04.415-07:002010-05-04T19:55:04.415-07:00EYouthWNY, I don't quite follow: could you cla...EYouthWNY, I don't quite follow: could you clarify?<br /><br />[Could we get some "Anonymous" Troll clean-up around here? Whether it's Brad or not, this latest "Anon" really isn't adding anything helpful to the discussion.]JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-230266925471639772010-05-04T13:37:10.861-07:002010-05-04T13:37:10.861-07:00Just a thought - when American Catholics are faced...Just a thought - when American Catholics are faced with the unpleasant situation of having a tiger by the tail do they then repeat Anglican history?EYouthWNYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07826033603475277668noreply@blogger.com