tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post6689478141622580754..comments2023-11-10T09:15:40.084-08:00Comments on The Friends of Jake: May I sit here with you?Davidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-45330201899841222802012-08-05T08:30:09.109-07:002012-08-05T08:30:09.109-07:00So how is it different between a Bishop saying &qu...So how is it different between a Bishop saying "not in my diocese" and a priest (or vestry) saying, "not in my parish"?IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-92103018103331238612012-08-03T13:48:07.363-07:002012-08-03T13:48:07.363-07:00Yes, Mark, I was speaking of an ideal parish---not...Yes, Mark, I was speaking of an ideal parish---not necessarily in the ones we may (circumstantially) be stuck in!<br /><br />Note, I wasn't calling for Either/Or---either a priest's discernment or a parish's discernment---but Both. I wouldn't want an affirming priest bound by a homophobic parish, but neither would I want an affirming parish bound by a homophobic priest.JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-28564015254172371442012-08-02T23:47:53.559-07:002012-08-02T23:47:53.559-07:00Hey! Where did Ed Little come from and who was his...Hey! Where did Ed Little come from and who was his mentor? Well, Mr. Little spent his formative years in the Diocese of San Joaquin and under the tutelege of (drum roll please) John David Schofield! Now -- there is Ed Little, Mark Lawrence, and Daniel Martins along with good ole whatshisname. Read their writing, it is the same script with the same double speak and with the same outcome. "Let's see who we can deny some form of personal rights now". I'm left handed -- I need to find a place to hide! (just kidding, about the hiding place, I am lefthanded).Frank Remkiewicz aka “Tree”https://www.blogger.com/profile/00501821790434895826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-64090265811232815572012-08-02T22:48:38.430-07:002012-08-02T22:48:38.430-07:00The parish thing has another drawback, in that, if...The parish thing has another drawback, in that, if it turns out your parish is <i>not</i> in favor of ssm's, the trust built up in that parish family has been irrevocably damaged. We are seeing this in my own parish, on a much more limited level, with the Chickengate thing. There is at least one person I'll never feel comfortable or safe with again.MarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-7180140601780254902012-08-02T14:50:54.412-07:002012-08-02T14:50:54.412-07:00My concern is that, as much as the Bishop appears ...My concern is that, as much as the Bishop appears to be pastoral in this decision, he is not being pastoral to his congregations. Once again, as with Bishops who would not allow parishes to call women as rectors, the Bishop's convictions trump the laity's. Beyond that, how would it violate the convictions of Fr. Smith of St. Swithen's if the rector and vestry of St. Peter's decided to use the rite? Why would that be any worse that having another member of the diocesan Clericus officiate at a blessing outside the diocese? These seems to me to be simply muddled thinking.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-84184043823443051312012-08-02T14:29:11.682-07:002012-08-02T14:29:11.682-07:00+Little IS being pastoral . . . to his priests.
N...+Little IS being pastoral . . . <i>to his priests</i>.<br /><br />Now, if a same-sex couple merely wants to be married by a particular (willing) N.Indiana priest---and they don't mind driving AND they can find an accepting place---OK then.<br /><br />But (as I said at the Cafe) <b>what of the parish?</b> What of the particular couple IN the particular parish?<br /><br />It make come as a shock to Bp Little, but many people---even people in same-sex couples!---are more attached TO THEIR PARISH (people and edifice) than to their particular priest (even given they've found an accepting one). And parishes are organic units, which can be deeply tied to their contituent members (even those members in same-sex couples)! Neither the couple nor the parish says to each other, "I have no need of you."<br /><br />Little's seeming dismissal of the importance of the parish, is rather dumb-founding. Maybe even more telling than his blanket Gandalf-ian "this liturgy SHALL NOT PASS!" in his diocese. M'Lord is rather puts the p*ss in <i>episcope</i>, does he not? O_oJCFnoreply@blogger.com