tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post6519355561832895343..comments2023-11-10T09:15:40.084-08:00Comments on The Friends of Jake: The Cross in the MojaveDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-44954794155833405362010-05-17T10:53:39.501-07:002010-05-17T10:53:39.501-07:00Hi,
My name is Rev Robert Wright, Editor for Chri...Hi,<br /><br />My name is Rev Robert Wright, Editor for Christian.com, a social network made specifically for Christians, by Christians. We embarked on this endeavor to offer the entire Christian community an outlet to join together and better spread the good word of Christianity. Christian.com has many great features like Christian TV, prayer requests, finding a church, receiving church updates and advice. We have emailed you to collaborate with you and your blog to help spread the good word of Christianity. I look forward to your response regarding this matter. Thanks!<br /><br /><br />Rev. Robert Wright<br />rev.robertwright@gmail.com<br />www.christian.comUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09519036461703485665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-73477261126094920892010-05-16T15:01:10.991-07:002010-05-16T15:01:10.991-07:00I'm a solidly Christian fellow and I agree wit...I'm a solidly Christian fellow and I agree with IT's assessment. It's obviously a religious symbol and as such, doesn't belong on public land (yeah, I know the whole "trick" they used to make it private land - doesn't wash with me).Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-88907500378234120882010-05-11T13:32:00.551-07:002010-05-11T13:32:00.551-07:00Oh lord: the (Mojave) Cross has been stolen. They&...Oh lord: the (Mojave) Cross has been stolen. They're sure to put up a more gawdawful one in its place! }-p<br /><br />***<br /><br />Thanks, Dahveed! [But I want a MAUSOLEUM over my final resting place, to rival a pharaoh's (or King Mausolus, for that matter). Dahveed, I'm leaving you in charge of its establishment---you better start fundraising now! ;-/]<br /><br />Oh: and it's ANTI-Wingnut rages that I drive in, thank you.JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-37323410274967997112010-05-11T07:51:29.019-07:002010-05-11T07:51:29.019-07:00JCF, God forbid, but if you get killed while drivi...JCF, God forbid, but if you get killed while driving in one of these wingnut rages, I will personally make sure that no one here puts one up for you. There shall be no highway-side littering in your wingnut memory if I can help it.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-12564836144664684702010-05-10T22:26:27.966-07:002010-05-10T22:26:27.966-07:00The highway departments allow them on highway righ...The highway departments allow them on highway right of ways as long as they are back far enough to not be a danger to traffic. I think they are helpful to grief stricken friends and family whose loved one died suddenly in that place. Honoring the place they breathed their last. I don't want one for me but have no problem honoring others' grief and needs.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-47056371758072234442010-05-10T21:29:49.615-07:002010-05-10T21:29:49.615-07:00JCF, you are harsh! we see a lot of those down he...JCF, you are harsh! we see a lot of those down here, especially on the back roads. There's a lot of drinkin' and drivin' and stupid kids. And regret. Not a problem with that.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-67245553707609000542010-05-10T21:22:44.752-07:002010-05-10T21:22:44.752-07:00Back atcha, Cholo!
[I've got one of these th...Back atcha, <i>Cholo!</i> <br /><br />[I've got one of these things a half a mile away, on the road I live on. Complete w/ cross, and plastic "Weeping Angel" statuette (Yes, think <i>Dr Who!</i> ;-/) I swear, I have half a mind to remove it, as <i>litter</i>. Since when does getting killed in a certain spot, make it into the PROPERTY of one's survivors? (Yeah, it's possible it's on private land, w/ permission. Still tacky though!)]JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-52487483353251134782010-05-10T06:53:17.402-07:002010-05-10T06:53:17.402-07:00We both have spelled it incorrectly James. It is M...We both have spelled it incorrectly James. It is Magen David.<br /><br />And if I saw anyones religious symbol by the roadside I would think that it marked the place where someone of that faith has died and is being remembered. JCF, get over your wingnut self!Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-20514893788071383412010-05-09T19:11:10.510-07:002010-05-09T19:11:10.510-07:00I'm on BP's side on this one. When the cro...I'm on BP's side on this one. When the cross(es) were erected, we were really a WASP culture. They've been there, and the grandfather clause takes it's prerogative. If we were to start removing these crosses, then we'd have a long list of things to remove - starting with all the military cemeteries.<br /><br />If, however, someone wanted to put one up now, on public land, I'd object.<br /> <br />And, if I saw a Magan David along side the road, my first thought would be, "Someone Jewish died at this spot."Jameshttp://www.threelegedstool.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-33554419374853194252010-05-09T18:57:43.500-07:002010-05-09T18:57:43.500-07:00I agree with IT too.
Specifically Christian symb...I agree with IT too. <br />Specifically Christian symbols in places that belong to everyone deeply offends this Christian. I think of it as a passive form of coercion, and in the words of Roger Williams, forced conversion "stinks in the nostrils of God."Counterlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14345956180434795401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-12413466736152444932010-05-09T16:22:34.761-07:002010-05-09T16:22:34.761-07:00I agree with you wholeheartedly. I shudder at fait...I agree with you wholeheartedly. I shudder at faith symbols in public places --any of 'em. They makes me shudder.<br /><br />As to the roadside shrines --I think faith and death all at once; but my mind works that way....it's margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13577280471100732619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-55779630784538416862010-05-09T12:28:38.842-07:002010-05-09T12:28:38.842-07:00But to argue the other side, when you drive along ...<i>But to argue the other side, when you drive along a highway and see a homemade cross at the side of the road, do you think "oh, Christian symbol"? Or do you think, "someone died here"?</i><br /><br />Truthfully? I think "Wingnuts were Here." <i>Grieving</i> Wingnuts, for whom I have human compassion---but Wingnuts all the same! [Though I mean mainly the wing-nuttyness of putting up a roadside <i>shrine</i>: you can't save it for your loved ones grave, or someplace in YOUR home? I think people who tie teddy-bears onto fences, in commemoration of a death, aren't much saner. That's grief, I guess. But give the teddy-bears to LIVING children in a hospital or shelter, not tied to a fence! Ooops, guess I'm ranting now... ;-X]JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-26047586847391438772010-05-09T09:40:46.950-07:002010-05-09T09:40:46.950-07:00But to argue the other side, when you drive along ...But to argue the other side, when you drive along a highway and see a homemade cross at the side of the road, do you think "oh, Christian symbol"? Or do you think, "someone died here"?<br /><br />If you saw a Star of David by the side of the road, which would you think?<br /><br />We have to admit that in a majority Christian culture, the cross does take on assumed meanings. And then the question is, how much can you divorce those meanings from its religious symbolism.<br /><br />Should the cross on the Mojave be removed? Or the onte on Mt Soledad? Is it worth litigating?IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-59844514247408603292010-05-08T23:23:44.328-07:002010-05-08T23:23:44.328-07:00Totally agree w/ you, IT.
There are symbols that...Totally agree w/ you, IT. <br /><br />There are symbols that have moved, arguably, from the religious to the secular ("Nicholas, Bishop of Myra" I think would be one. "Santa Claus" is understood to, mythologically, give presents to ALL "good children" on December 25, not just Christian ones).<br /><br />But the cross isn't one of them. Why are some soldiers buried under Stars-of-David at Normandy? Why was one recent war dead, after a fight by his widow, buried under a Pagan pentagram? <i>Because the Cross would NOT suffice for them!</i> It's obviously NOT a symbol for all the dead!<br /><br />If the S.C. is going to pander to the religious-majority (as perceived anyway), why not just say so? "The Constitution functionally stipulates a "Wall of Separation', except where the majority says it doesn't." Ta-Da! (At least THAT is honest!)JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-35401968216860072522010-05-08T18:24:28.860-07:002010-05-08T18:24:28.860-07:00There is a form of cross that has moved outside of...There is a form of cross that has moved outside of being strictly a Christian symbol, the equilateral + sign. It has become associated with medical care in a red version and First Aid in a green version. So much so that I doubt anyone in the western world thinks of Christianity when they see something associated with their local/national Red Cross Society (here the Cruz Roja Méxicana), or the same symbol in any color of the rainbow on the sides of ambulances flying past to an emergency.<br /><br />In fact it is often infused with another, more ancient, biblical symbol in regard to medicine, the serpent on a staff.<br /><br />However, even this cross is not viewed so innocuously by either Moslem nations who have the Red Crescent Society and the Israelis with the Red Mogan David Society. In fact Israel has lobbied long and hard to get the Red Mogan David accepted as a legitimate alternative for identifying military and civilian medical vehicles and facilities by the International Association of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.<br /><br />But I agree IT, these crosses are definitely intended to be Christian symbols. At least they were when they were erected and before folks started trying to explain them in another light.Brother Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06333089314994730330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-73986262687574001752010-05-07T21:50:53.504-07:002010-05-07T21:50:53.504-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-35280876100960279732010-05-07T21:50:24.785-07:002010-05-07T21:50:24.785-07:00It is a religious symbol - what else could it be -...It is a religious symbol - what else could it be - you don't find the cross except as it relates to Christianity and the death of Jesus. I can't agree with BP on this -what if it were another religious symbol - Star of David, e.g. -- just because it had been around for a long time - it is still religious. The national cemeteries have a <a href="http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/authorized_emblems.html" rel="nofollow">list</a> of what symbols mean on public land - all crosses are related to Christians.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.com