tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post6241208098675444558..comments2023-11-10T09:15:40.084-08:00Comments on The Friends of Jake: Why do LGBT people think the Catholic Church hates them?Davidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-52852233454935137982014-06-12T13:02:59.878-07:002014-06-12T13:02:59.878-07:00James, among Sisters I've known are some of th...James, among Sisters I've known are some of the most reactionary and some of the most progressive human beings I have had the pain or pleasure to encounter!Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-62547347635834140042014-06-12T12:44:16.025-07:002014-06-12T12:44:16.025-07:00Tobias,
I went to an RC high school (run by the Si...Tobias,<br />I went to an RC high school (run by the Sisters of Mercy, a predominantly Irish order), and the stereotypical Irish catholic guilt and compartmentalization of sex was certainly present in the curriculum. (and so the class president who got pregnant was stripped of her office and not allowed even to march with us at graduation)<br /><br />But also, I remember Sr Mary Robertine in my freshman religion class, talking about how sex (at least between husband and wife) could be holy, and dropping hints about the Song of Songs. It was a bit shocking and confusing then, but now I can look back and see a little bit of subversion of the hierarchy and tradition.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10177340733290027856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-64741050017244323702014-06-10T20:18:55.660-07:002014-06-10T20:18:55.660-07:00Tobias, yes. It is a worldview that fears sexuali...Tobias, yes. It is a worldview that fears sexuality and oddly empowers "sex" above relationship.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-23808113426845378462014-06-10T07:10:03.347-07:002014-06-10T07:10:03.347-07:00JCF sparked a thought that may offer a bit of an e...JCF sparked a thought that may offer a bit of an explanation. The RC theology is seriously "disembodied" -- in spite of all the rhapsodic language about <i>coitus humano modo</i> and the holiness of the body. Sex is walled off and put in a little container; in theory distant from the actual experience of the vast bulk of the leadership. Homophobia in the RCC is closely linked with gynophobia and erotophobia. You don't have to go very far back in the Tradition to find strong traces of this world-view. And that Latin tag says it all: sex is only good sex when it is done "in a human fashion" -- which indicates that sex outside that limit is seen as unhuman or inhuman, depraved or animalistic. And the irony is that this focus on "male and female" (presumably in a missionary position and without any bar to conception) in fact cordons off love, romance and all the rest (including family planning) that actually constitute the "human" aspects of the relationship. It is less a double standard than a painting into a corner. Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-27694949534106531202014-06-09T17:12:25.444-07:002014-06-09T17:12:25.444-07:00Just my 2c: we speak of "sexual orientation&q...Just my 2c: we speak of "sexual orientation". But of course, what we mainly mean (even for gay men!) is "fall-in-love-with orientation".<br /><br />Now, usually, when you fall in love w/ someone, it includes a desire to Make Love with them (aka "Teh Sex").<br /><br />But sex is only a small SUBSET of "falling in love with"---yet, ONLY for LGBT people "falling in love with" gets DEFINED by (if not limited to) Teh Sex.<br /><br />Why? Why is not "falling in love" given the same... <i>romance</i>, among same-sex couples, as it is w/ opposite-sex ones? Why do the phobes not go "Awwwww! {happy-cry}" about same-sex LOVE, as *everybody* gives to opposite-sex Love?<br /><br />The double-standard is ex<i>cruc</i>iating. Jesus, mercy!JCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14516376500318551838noreply@blogger.com