tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post2945246540613294516..comments2023-11-10T09:15:40.084-08:00Comments on The Friends of Jake: And so it beginsDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10124314924693077453noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-73107837591757982432010-03-31T05:20:39.749-07:002010-03-31T05:20:39.749-07:00We have always been with you, ..and everyone else ...We have always been with you, ..and everyone else !!David G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15579600744831973105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-49528898475722613292010-03-30T09:14:45.308-07:002010-03-30T09:14:45.308-07:00You are very kind, Mary Clara.You are very kind, Mary Clara.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-21154647025015920182010-03-30T00:58:40.077-07:002010-03-30T00:58:40.077-07:00Dear IT, I am so very happy that BP has found a ne...Dear IT, I am so very happy that BP has found a new religious home among our ragtag lot. And those of us who have been following your story over the past several years know that this is your gift to her! How patiently and with what unselfish devotion you helped her find the door into a church that could welcome her (and you two as a couple) without reservations. You will both be in my prayers on Holy Saturday/ Easter Eve.<br /><br />You write, "Of course, I do take a more removed view of the whole thing which I experience in a narrative, not spiritual sense." Well, the narrative is not to be sneezed at. It nourishes the soul and educates the heart. As does the rhythm of the liturgical year. It is good that you feel free to participate at your own level, letting the music and the poetry and stories accompany you week by week without worrying about whether you can assent to certain propositions. The 'spiritual' is not necessarily about beliefs in the supernatural.<br /><br />In fact, dear IT, you are a woman of spirit, and we who follow your writings in the blogosphere are much the better for having been exposed to your influence.<br /><br />I agree about the Palm Sunday liturgy, too.Mary Claranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-84697302937941585862010-03-29T20:16:44.278-07:002010-03-29T20:16:44.278-07:00As for TheraP, swimming the Bosporus? Not sure wha...<i>As for TheraP, swimming the Bosporus? Not sure what the river analogy is for the ORthodox...</i><br /><br />Yup, IT: that's exactly what it's called (I mean, usually by snarky Anglicans ;-/)JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-20403609838732836612010-03-29T19:41:05.223-07:002010-03-29T19:41:05.223-07:00If I didn't sing in the choir, I wouldn't ...If I didn't sing in the choir, I wouldn't go to church on Palm Sunday. Or I wouldn't go back until Easter. MP did it right. Margaret did it better than the usual whiplash. Why bother with Holy Week if you do it all on Palm Sunday?PseudoPiskiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12070541512355253553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-583470137252389172010-03-29T19:02:43.886-07:002010-03-29T19:02:43.886-07:00IT, I asked my rector the the same question. Why ...IT, I asked my rector the the same question. Why the story of Christ's Passion on Palm Sunday? If I remember correctly, in the Roman Catholic Church, there once was Palm Sunday and then Passion Sunday and then Easter Sunday.<br /><br />Anyway, I would have wanted to focus on Jesus' entrance into Jerusalem yesterday, and move later in the week to the Passion narrative.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-75365969944036520372010-03-29T16:12:36.505-07:002010-03-29T16:12:36.505-07:00Actually, I think BP's swimming the Thames, si...Actually, I think BP's swimming the Thames, since she's coming home to you TEC-lot. <br /><br />As for TheraP, swimming the Bosporus? Not sure what the river analogy is for the ORthodox...IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-11411103775153697322010-03-29T15:56:34.690-07:002010-03-29T15:56:34.690-07:00I have organized the Palm Sunday liturgy to omit t...I have organized the Palm Sunday liturgy to omit the Passion for many years.... some folks protested... so we now just bless the palms, process, read the entry to Jerusalem as the main Gospel and preach on that, then read the Passion at the end, after Communion.<br /><br />It works.... with a little less 'whip lash' (as Kirstin would say)...<br /><br />I hope and pray that you have a wonderful Holy Week --and, swimming the Tiber is far more than just a spiritual exercise... the whole horizon changes... just sayin'.<br /><br />Love to you both.it's margarethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13577280471100732619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-57324140353061613232010-03-29T15:22:30.026-07:002010-03-29T15:22:30.026-07:00Nice to see you, John. Our hearts are with you.
...Nice to see you, John. Our hearts are with you.<br /><br />There's an <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100030794/catholic-sex-abuse-scandal-time-to-sack-trendy-bishops-and-restore-the-faith/" rel="nofollow">awful op/ed in the Telegraph</a> (London) that blames all of the scandal on Vatican II, conveniently ignoring the fact that some of the worst abuses pre-date it, and many or most of the abusers were formed pre VII as well.<br /><br />It's far too convenient to blame liberalization of attitudes toward sex and long for a day when gays were institutionalized and women covered their heads in silence and sex was suitably dirty.<br /><br />it's not the abuse, which can happen in any structure. It's the coverup, which enabled the abuse to continue. Once an institution puts its own survival AS an institution above everything else, and justifies this by the infantalization of those it purportedly serves (as though the laity are too stupid or weak to figure things out) this kind of thing is inevitable.<br /><br />JCF, BP tells me that I have to stop referring to the congregation as the "audience". But I will send your good wishes her way!IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-79102165377719691532010-03-29T15:03:18.315-07:002010-03-29T15:03:18.315-07:00Kind of you to remember me, and our son, JCF. It&#...Kind of you to remember me, and our son, JCF. It's been 3 years. <br />I do a fair amount of commenting at Mimi's Wounded Bird and Colleen's Enlightened Catholicism blogs, though I lurk here daily. <br /><br />Here's a rhetorical (first -hand) observation to chew on sometime :<br /><br /><br />I've always found it profoundly ironic that these sister churches (Roman and Eastern Orthodox) most adamantly anti-women clergy and anti-GLBT clergy, just so happen to take clergy sexual abuse of children and vulnerable adults far less seriously [to put it mildly] and have far more problems accordingly ... than TEC. <br /> <br />Surely I'm not the only one to wonder why that is? <br /><br />best wishes,<br />Johnjohn iliff https://www.blogger.com/profile/02302505584191566477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-84291442317738939982010-03-29T09:05:40.056-07:002010-03-29T09:05:40.056-07:00390, Andrewdb. I don't receive.
;-)390, Andrewdb. I don't receive.<br /><br />;-)IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-40053459116269720832010-03-29T08:21:53.961-07:002010-03-29T08:21:53.961-07:00FWIW the count for communion was 391, although som...FWIW the count for communion was 391, although some of them did not parade through the streets.Andrewdbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11133812792196196790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-76121429219080798682010-03-29T00:57:52.918-07:002010-03-29T00:57:52.918-07:00Hey, thanks for the tip, Erp---that was fun! [Stre...Hey, thanks for the tip, Erp---that was fun! [Stretching my little-used theology/apologetics muscle!]<br /><br />wv, "diest" [Even switching the vowels around, would still be too much of stretch to describe Rev. Shuck. But, as is, is what I sang this morning: <i>Ah me! for whom thou diest...</i> ("O Sacred Head, Sore Wounded")]JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-4714749181633940812010-03-28T23:46:17.521-07:002010-03-28T23:46:17.521-07:00You're being received (chrismated?) by the Ort...You're being received (chrismated?) by the Orthodox, TheraP? (I remember you as a Vat2-phile RC)<br /><br />I would have thought that a fairly arduous spiritual journey? (And which autocephalous branch of the EOs are you joining?)<br /><br />I can't help but think of <b>John Iliff</b> (don't know if he ever comments here, but see G'mere Mimi, if you don't know/remember him---and his son, tragically lost in the Springtime of his life).<br /><br />***<br /><br />FWIW/IMO: if people are going to come Good Friday, they're not going to mind hearing one of the Synoptic Passions on Palm Sunday (GF is always John). If they're not, they're not. Personally, I think MP protests too much (but that's what his blog is for!). I'm just so HAPPY for BP . . . and hope some that, um, <i>inspiring</i> happiness blows over (!) you, too, IT! :-DJCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-67123963356253410702010-03-28T21:08:26.205-07:002010-03-28T21:08:26.205-07:00The church that little atheist me attends did a st...The church that little atheist me attends did a strict Palm Sunday unfortunately a few flubs (the regular ministers took the university holiday). <br /><br />I must admit I'm enjoying MP's little discussion with John Shuck over at <br /><a href="http://www.shuckandjive.org/2010/03/church-without-god.html" rel="nofollow">Shuck and Jive</a>. Shuck is perhaps a bit too progressive for MP's taste.Erphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18037406583478493064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-47505397196050923152010-03-28T20:26:49.759-07:002010-03-28T20:26:49.759-07:00Thank you TheraP. I hope the Orthodox Church is a...Thank you TheraP. I hope the Orthodox Church is a good fit for you and that you will be very happy there.<br /><br />My BP feels as though she is going home this week, home to TEC. i hope you feel the same about your journey.IThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09605163506396013904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8238382886103256219.post-4232238794265194392010-03-28T19:20:37.264-07:002010-03-28T19:20:37.264-07:00IT, I myself joined the Orthodox on Thursday (2 da...IT, I myself joined the Orthodox on Thursday (2 days after my mother died so beautifully). I will think of BP on Saturday as she is received. And I wish many blessings for the two of you.TheraPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17684120043427738135noreply@blogger.com