Friday, November 11, 2011

Updated: Roman Catholic Don't Ask, Don't Tell

I'm getting seriously annoyed at the Roman Catholics. The Conference of Bishops is meeting and rather than being concerned about social justice, they are going to discuss how to wage the culture war: particularly,  marriage equality.

         East Bay Express

       USA today


These are three of the most vocal bishops against us. Bishop Salvatore Cordileone, now Bishop of Oakland CA, was formerly in San Diego. He's extremely smart and widely considered the architect of Prop8. Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York puts forward an avuncular face, but he's lobbying the president and vigorously fighting a rearguard action in New York. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Minneapolis is mobilizing troops in each parish to pass a Prop8-style anti-equality amendment there. He has infamously suggested that parents can't support their gay children and be Catholic. These men are intelligent, very powerful, and implacable foes of the LGBT community.

Their new meme is that marriage equality threatens religious liberty. To which the proper answer is, POPPYCOCK. There is no religious liberty if the Roman Catholic bishops impose their will on everyone else. The Episcopalians want to marry same sex couples: how is religious liberty protected if they are unable to do so?

The FACT is that the Roman Catholics are and will be free NOT to marry same sex couples, just as they are free NOT to marry previously divorced people, non-Catholics, or the unbaptized. But right now, most Episcopalians aren't able to perform legal marriages for their LGBT congregants. So say again, who's liberty is being infringed?  The Baltimore Sun follows this up.

As you may know, there is some irony that Roman Catholics overall are the religious group most supportive of marriage equality. Thus, the laity is simply ignoring the bishops, much as they do on birth control (I mean, how many RC have more than two children, these days?)

But I'm getting very frustrated with their "Don't Ask Don't Tell". Because while they simply ignore the Bishops, they continue as good Catholics to support the Church, and essentially function as enablers of the Bishops' war against gay people. We have many dear, supportive RC friends who love us to death, but none of them are standing up and saying, "no more!" to the institutional Church as it continues its attacks. None of them are calling out the Church on its actions; none of them are withholding their donations. They tried to persuade my wife to stay Roman Catholic: "just don't tell Monsignor that you're gay," they advised, and seemed unaware of the cost of pretending to be "in Communion" with an institution that reviles you.

It's the Roman Catholic version of the NALTs (not all like that).

Many RC find it hurtful when their church is criticized. After all, they themselves have no problem with their LGBT friends. But I want to get across to my RC friends: The institution that is your church is attacking us. What are you doing--really DOING--  to stop them?

Updated: from the National Catholic Reporter, we learn that Catholics care far more about caring for the poor than for issues around gays marrying.
But the Bishops are putting their effort behind an anti-gay web site (I don't link to such sites; google it if you want to find it).


Grandmère Mimi said...

Just the pictures make me nauseous.

What caused me to leave the fold was clergy child abuse and especially the COVER-UP, but if I had not left 16 years ago, I would have left many times over by now.

To the RC bishops: We are not your business. Stay out our lives, you hypocrites.

JCF said...

"Leave, but if you can't bring yourself to leave, FOR GOD'S SAKE do not put anything in the collection plate!" said I, on the blog of an RC whom I was hoping would say "You're right, I won't [donate $] anymore."

Instead, this RC went off on *me*. I was being so very, very hurtful, y'know.

I despair.

IT said...

Yes, JCF, that is the kind of thing--as though we are supposed to apologize for daring to complain at how the RC church is treating LGBT people. I'ce had those arguments with a number of RC, particularly over at StreetProphets, and it's one of many reasons I no longer go to tht blog.

I'm sorry, Roman Catholics, if your feelings are hurt. But you know what? Get over it. Your institutional church and her bishops are telling obscene lies. They call us "intrinsically disordered" and our relationships a "gross moral evil". They work tirelessly to deny us civil rights and to deny friendly churches the ability to pastor us.

And what are you doing about it?

JCF said...

Their latest bullsh*t:

Scoop said...

Unfortunately, it's not what the LAITY cares about in the RC world, it's what the (yes, I WILL say it!) incestuous hierarchy cares about that matters.